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Elena Rossini ⁂
Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

This article is a must read.

An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

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LumiWorx
LumiWorx
@lumiworx@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena

After reading, it leaves me with concerns that are not dev related.

1. If there's xlarge $ infusions involved, it means profit will always be 1st, and fuck the tech. They will never care.

2. If they'll eat their young once - and don't wince about it - they WILL do it again and enjoy it more aggressively every time.

3. Once they have a taste of their own, they'll feed on other's 'outside the family'.

They want performing monkeys, not projects with merit.

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Elena Rossini ⁂
Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@lumiworx I sometimes feel like I'm not a good "team player" when I point out weaknesses in the ATproto world. Big elephant in the room: the 100 million dollars in VC money by crypto bros. A lot of people I cherish are all for promoting both protocols (ATproto and ActivityPub), but I remain highly skeptical. And afraid. ATproto gives me big EEE vibes

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Eugen Rochko
Eugen Rochko
@Gargron@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@_elena @lumiworx I for one am not one of those people. For me it's ActivityPub only.

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Elena Rossini ⁂
Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@Gargron @lumiworx very nice to hear that Eugen.

Fellow member of team ActivityPub only 🙋🏻‍♀️

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LumiWorx
LumiWorx
@lumiworx@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@_elena

I don't think that would be accurate at all, in terms of what I presume most might think.

Assuming my memories haven't failed me yet, @Gargron saw a need for a community solution, and decided to tackle it as people-centric, rather than seeking a profit generator social replacement to fill his bank account.

Other's have sought the opposite, and as time goes on, the altruistic mask has fallen away, and they can't escape the obvious.

Never think it doesn't need some sunlight. :)

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hamish campbell
hamish campbell
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena interestingly this was the exact play of twitter - you can see the DNA.

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hamish campbell
hamish campbell
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena it's a mess that keeps growing, and we will be left to compost it, too much #techshit, and we all start to stink - why would anyone use the #openweb with that bad smell. The last time this happened was the #encryptionists with the #blockchain mess, there is a big overlap with #bluesky

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Elena Rossini ⁂
Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@hamishcampbell I'm getting big EEE vibes from Bluesky - I hope my instinct is wrong

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hamish campbell
hamish campbell
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena Sadly, it isn’t - and it’s painfully visible. @evan called this right from the start, and he was right on this.

This is #techshit, spreading a miasma over the #openweb. And when it inevitably fails, the rotting stink will linger, making it even harder for people to take the step they need to take.

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just small circles 🕊
just small circles 🕊
@smallcircles@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena thank you for sharing the article.

The same considerations should be honestly made for the #ActivityPub fediverse as well. So we may address them in time. Not all is well. I am writing a blog post on open standards divergence and increasing unattractiveness of an ecosystem that hems itself into a straitjacket of narrow application areas, by the protocol decay we allow to fester. Combined with inadequate work methods to reconcile the tech debt that this incurs. We must go "back to standards" or have an ecosystem based on enabling technologies that are increasingly unattractive to adopt.

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Jonathan Schofield
Jonathan Schofield
@urlyman@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena they think algorithmically sorting people *in the context of discursive discussion* can be good. They are wrong

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