@nixCraft I trust @GrapheneOS who has actually developed a secure OS which is verifiable rather than just marketing it.

@nixCraft Neither. Both bow to corrupt government officials and offer bribes all in the name of keeping their profits up. And that's just in the USA. Who knows what else they are doing in other countries. ;)

@nixCraft I believe the security researchers who tell us (and often prove) otherwise.

@nixCraft If Google, since parts of it are FLOSS. However, I still think custom ROMs are best.

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GrapheneOS of course

@nixCraft Blackberry. At least up until I left in 2015, they were VERY careful about PII and apps that tried to access it.

@nixCraft https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/5-Iconic-Nokia-Phones-You-Need-to-Remember-471435-6.jpg

@nixCraft neither

@nixCraft None.

@nixCraft Apple more than Google for sure

@nixCraft Nope

@nixCraft I believe in @postmarketOS

@nixCraft Neither

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Neither, given GrapheneOS exists?

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privacy on US big tech systems ? could sb explain was that mean ?

@nixCraft Experts in cybersecurity: iOS is more secure (and the hardware helps).

By the way, chinese tech gathering all the information about it's citizen activities. Just kidding... If chinese government has 1K info about it's citizens, google and apple has billions. Probably, the "intellectual agencies" has much more than that.

@nixCraft God

@nixCraft GrapheneOS

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well, "most" is a relative term... neither should be taking any victory laps on security, reliability, *or* privacy...

i give apple a fractional nod on reliable (or at least predictable) and they are more likely to keep your PII to themselves just to make more money on it, but it's very much all damning with faint praise.

@nixCraft Google. It's not that I trust them, but Android is mostly open-source, so it's much less likely to have backdoors or other stuff like that.

@nixCraft I don't believe either one or them. Not with AI scrapping data from the device at every turn.

@nixCraft I need find privacy phone instead bs Apple iPhone

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GrapheneOS.

@nixCraft Neither of them, really. I tend to think that Apple just hides their data collection and use practices better. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Wallgarden doesn't imply intrinsically more or better security or information sharing/use practices.
Google's latest of disabling sideloading is just a security smokescreen. Sideloading is a user choice, and security risks inherited from this are born by the user. Google taking control of this by denying it is a threat to user freedom of choice, not a direct improvement to privacy or security as a whole. The sideloaders were already prepared to take the risks they clearly either know about, or don't care about. That's not a stance on any inherent security or privacy posture by any company.
But certainly I would tend to think that the open nature of the Play store tends to lower Google's ability to secure its operating systems, or more so the environments running atop them.

@nixCraft This should have been a poll, maybe? No OS with more than 100 million users is secure.

@nixCraft I would not trust either or them.

@nixCraft Haha, neither ... but Google, I believe just a little bit less. That said, I still run Android, as I'm not into paying double for the same hardware capabilities (I literally cannot afford to).

@nixCraft GrapheneOS is the only mobile OS I trust.

@nixCraft I know that I would not believe Google if they told me the sky is blue and water is wet.

If Apple told me, I would consider the possibility.

@nixCraft clearly Stock Android OS can be bruteforced according to Cellebrite Leak.

@nixCraft Is this still one of these "spooky" questions? 🫣

@nixCraft Neither

@nixCraft Fuck those guys. https://itsfoss.com/linux-phones/

@nixCraft Neither

@nixCraft None.

@nixCraft That really depends on whether or not you trust those companies with your entire life. I do not, so I don't believe either.

@nixCraft I will always side with Google. They are my favorite big tech. Unlike Microsoft, their products actually work until they are canceled. What's privacy anyways?! Apple was always SUS for me

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GrapheneOS and I'm very sure!

@nixCraft I trust china better than these US fascist enabling tech companies

@nixCraft When they say "secure, reliable, and privacy friendly" they don't include the spying and data harvesting they do to their user bases

@nixCraft id love to build my own device. But sourcing all the parts and firmwares, AND not pissing the FCC off...ugh.

@nixCraft linux OS joint the room.
linux OS left the room.

@nixCraft they are both correct? Apple for the iPhone and Google for the Pixel? 🤷 like an oil company and an electricity being the best at powering cars, although one in combustion and the other in electric engines. 🙃

@nixCraft Neither of them. they both f'ing suck #lang_en

@nixCraft I believe Apple more. But only because I know that Google definitely isn't

@nixCraft I'm more inclined to believe Apple over Google.

Google has turned into more of an ad company as of late.